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Piano chords creating rhythm problem.Please be patient in reading. Its a little long?

Q. I've been playing piano since I was 12 and I'm now 20. I can play songs like Liebestraum, Claire de Lune etc..My problem is that until now I don't know how to play properly using chords but I'm good at playing by piece. I'm just not used to playing by chords and creating own rhythm automatically and that's my problem.

I know the chords but I cant use and give the chords the rhythm to accompany someone who is singing or even myself. I just can't =(
I want to know if there are rhythm patterns for the rhythm or beating of how I play, to automatically fit any song????(I mean, like in guitar. we can easily play a certain song by just using a common strumming pattern.) In piano, are there also default or common way of playing the chords..Are there default or common order of playing the thirds, fifths and bass of a chord while playing with both right and left hands.

I feel so bad because I can only play pieced - songs and classical songs but I can't play songs using chords,( the fact that I know the chord positions of almost all common chords.)

=(( I always wanted to play songs in the "Song HITS"(those with only chords) I just can't make a rhythm pattern or beat pattern. I don't know how to accompany myself when singing in piano. I only want the piano to do the accompanying part only w/o the voice and Ill do the voice part (or singing).. but i don't know how

WHATS THE BEST THING I CAN DO TO LEARN PATTERNS ON HOW I SHOULD MOVE THE BASS,THIRDS AND FIFTHS WITH THE RIGHT HAND AND MAKE A CHORD FLOW IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF TIME SIGNATURES ???????

=((

A. I think I understand what you're asking. Let me see if I can rephrase this, to help others help you:

* You already are able to read music, and have been studying/playing classical piano for 8 years. (I only mention that because what you are asking is related to the frequent questions of "playing by ear" which usually meet with the response "go learn to read music" from many on this forum, including myself...)
* You want to be able to sit down with a fake book/lead sheet, where only the melody and chords are given and make each piece ("song" or otherwise) sound like real music rather than just a clump of notes on the piano and a sung melody.
* You seem to have two main concerns in this issue:
(1) "common order of playing the thirds, fifths, and bass of a chord," which is commonly referred to as chord voicing -- you know what notes should be played when the fake book says "Bbmaj7" (Bb,D,F,A), but you don't know what order to play them. Is Bb the lowest note? Should D be on top? Or A? F?
(2) What should you do rhythmically with your hands once you've figured out an appropriate voicing for each chord?

There are many, many ways you can approach question #1. I'm not an expert in jazz piano, by any means. I'd recommend you to two books:
Mark Levine's "The Jazz Piano Book"
Frank Mantooth's "Voicings for Jazz Keyboard"

But even without those books, it's important to know that there is rarely a single "correct" voicing for any chord -- you can make almost anything work. A good starting point might be to keep the root as the lowest note of the chord at all times (there are exceptions, but it's not worth getting into that just yet) and keep the melody note as the highest note in the chord. You don't necessarily have to play every single melody note -- maybe just play the melody note that happens when the chord changes. Let the rest of your fingers find the other notes of the chords (in between the root and melody) with what feels physically comfortable. When I do this kind of playing, I find it's more comfortable for me to play three notes in my left hand and two in my right hand, but that's just me. When you go to the next chord, rather than starting over, you should think about where your fingers already are -- and go to the nearest chord tones.
Example: Bbmaj7 - F7
Let's say you play your Bbmaj7 chord like this (from bottom to top): Bb-F-A-D. Then you can play your F7 chord like this: F-Eb-A-C.
D --> C
A --> A
F --> Eb
Bb -> F

Notice how, other than the lowest note, no chord member moves by anything bigger than a whole step. Nice!

There are many, many other ways to approach this. Google "piano chord voicings" and see what comes up.

As for question #2, this is much harder to describe in words. It's mostly a matter of knowing the style you're playing to know what rhythmic patterns will work the best. Part of the challenge is that, when you're playing from pop music books, you're often trying to cover the roles of drums, bass, guitar, and keyboard all on the piano -- it's impossible!
I'd start by keeping it really, really simple. Just play the chord on every beat while you sing the melody -- think of your piano as being a metronome. As you get comfortable with this approach, you can start highlighting important accents/syncopations in the melody. Or, maybe you want to have your left hand keep a steady metronome beat and let your right hand follow the rhythms of the melody. That's another option.

Anyway, I hope that my answer has helped you, but also I hope that it helps other people (who know way more about this than I do!) be able to understand your question a little more easily.

Good luck!

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Piano help........?
Q. Anyone knows how to do the accompaniments on the piano? Just the accompaniments for singing (no melody). Something like what Alicia Keys do. I've tried playing only the left hand part of some music scores and they sound weird.

I've stopped my piano lesson a few years back in grade 6. I've been busy and don't have time to resume the lessons. But I'm still playing occassionally.

Anyone can help please....? Thank you :)
Gee... if you don't know the answer, then please refrain yourself from answering. thank you.

A. Basically just play chords or inversions of chords. For example, Alicia Keys' No One. Her basic chords are E, B, C#, and A. So she just arranges notes around to get a pattern, which also is the basis of her rhythm.

Are you trying to compose some of your own music? I'd love to hear it.

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Clair de Lune~Piano Question?
Q. Is it difficult to play? Also, how hard is Moonlight Sonata 2nd Mov. compared to the first?
Thanks ^^

A. Clair de Lune is a harder piece than it sounds or looks. You have to have the ability to play quick (and smooth) arpeggios and similar patterns with one hand, count unusual rhythms, play very large chords, and jump from place to place. This video gives a pretty good demonstration of what each hand's part would look like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGPCkFgdcIw

As for the second movement of the moonlight sonata, it's hard to say. Both of them have parts that aren't exactly easy, but I suppose it would depend on how good you are. I would just take a look at the sheet music, try it out, and decide for yourself.

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